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Tyeshali

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Stalker DPS LAS & AMP Choices
« on: Oct 17, 2014, 09:36 AM »
Okay, so I'm curious what the other stalkers are running for their default LAS and Amps. I know sometimes we require a CC break or movement ability, but I'm mainly referring to damage dealing abilities.

Lets get this started.

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Re: Stalker DPS LAS & AMP Choices
« Reply #1 on: Oct 17, 2014, 11:02 PM »
This advice is coming from the worst DPS stalker out of all of us, so take any advise I have with a grain of salt.

My typical LAS is T8 Shred, T8 Impale, T4 ruin, and Punish(any extra Ability Points here), the other 4 skills are situational, but for most pulls it is Preparation, collapse, stagger, and pounce.

When you need a CC break you remove whatever you don't need (e.g. a stun during Convergence), and you remove T4 ruin to make T4 Tactical Retreat.

As an aside, if you happen to have max ability points then the best DPS LAS would be T8 Shred, T8 Impale, T8 Concussive Kicks, Punish and then 4 random abilities. This is only for max ability points because T8 kick's cooldown reduction (Punish on 5s CD is op with proper suit power management)  covers the loss of T4 ruin and the suit power cost of concussive kicks.

No AMP Points - http://ws-base.com/builds/generator/stalker#/770.771.772.782.783.784.839.788.798.774.775.776.828.793.794.795.899.865.880.946

With Full AMP Points - http://ws-base.com/builds/generator/stalker#/770.771.772.782.783.784.839.788.798.774.775.776.828.793.794.795.899.865.880.946.947.948.870.871.872.799.777

Tyeshali

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Re: Stalker DPS LAS & AMP Choices
« Reply #2 on: Oct 20, 2014, 08:32 AM »
I appreciate the reply.

I typically run: Pounce, Analyze Weakness, Shred (T8), Impale (T8), Punish (T4 if only stalker), Concussive Kick (T4 if multiple stalkers), Collapse, Stagger.

I'll swap out Pounce for whatever is situational for the current fight.

I've read where a lot of people prefer AW over Ruin, except on large trash pulls. I've tried both, but right now run AW. I believe if either is T4'd that they give back the same amount of suit power. I don't have max amps or ability points, but am slowly working on them. This toon wasn't touched for a good couple months after only raiding with him two times before trying out my Medic.

So I guess my question is this... is the refunded suit power from AW or Ruin T4 better than the free kicks from CK? If anybody else has some input I'd like to hear as well.

Thanks man.


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Re: Stalker DPS LAS & AMP Choices
« Reply #3 on: Oct 21, 2014, 05:56 AM »
I typically run: Pounce, Analyze Weakness, Shred (T8), Impale (T8), Punish (T4 if only stalker), Concussive Kick (T4 if multiple stalkers), Collapse, Stagger.

I'd recommend subbing AW out for Prep, personally.  Normally you nest it inside a shred cast, but there are plenty of times that you can channel longer during movement.  You can even channel on the pull for 21% crit chance, assuming snap threat isn't an issue.

I've read where a lot of people prefer AW over Ruin, except on large trash pulls. I've tried both, but right now run AW. I believe if either is T4'd that they give back the same amount of suit power. I don't have max amps or ability points, but am slowly working on them. This toon wasn't touched for a good couple months after only raiding with him two times before trying out my Medic.

So I guess my question is this... is the refunded suit power from AW or Ruin T4 better than the free kicks from CK? If anybody else has some input I'd like to hear as well.

Thanks man.

AW and Ruin T4 don't give the same amount of suit power.  AW costs 15, and gives back 2/sec for *5* seconds, which means it never pays for itself.  Tiered or not, I'd only ever recommend using AW either to pad your rotation for Enabler/Getting below 35 sp immediately for punish, or with stealth and Unfair Advantage amp.  Ruin only costs 10, and gives back 2/sec for 10 seconds, making it a net gain to use at T4.  The main benefit of AW is that it does not eat a GCD, however I don't think it's ever worth using off cooldown because the damage/suit power doesn't measure up to what you could be doing with a few more impales.

Ultimately, I'd recommend parsing it for yourself.  It's unlikely to reach the stalker theoretical maximums, and it's better to play in the way that you are most comfortable such that you don't have to pay as much attention to your rotation as other fight mechanics.  Ruin feels too clunky to me, so I will likely never run it.

P.S. If they push the change to AW live with Drop 3 (about it costing 0 suit power) it will probably replace Prep, and be a pretty big improvement especially for Kicks builds.  Not sure that you'd tier it, though.
« Last Edit: Oct 21, 2014, 07:08 AM by Celty »

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Re: Stalker DPS LAS & AMP Choices
« Reply #4 on: Oct 21, 2014, 05:11 PM »
I'm still not sold on running T4 CK. This T4 takes away from the SP regen you would be getting from T4 ruin. So over the course of a minute in a fight, you either spend 120ish SP for some damage or gain 60ish SP for less damage. 180SP swing = 6 more Impales not to mention the time you are wasting casting CK.

The reason T8 CK is so huge is the 4s CDR on all assault abilities. The CDR on Punish completely makes up for the T4 ruin regen you are missing out on. If the rotation is done correctly, Punish is on a 3s CD. So someone please buy me some ability points.

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Re: Stalker DPS LAS & AMP Choices
« Reply #5 on: Oct 21, 2014, 06:15 PM »
I get what you're saying. Did you take into account the extra (Free) CK's with T4 regarding damage in that minute? I'll have to play around on the dummy after I get my PC rebuilt.

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Re: Stalker DPS LAS & AMP Choices
« Reply #6 on: Oct 21, 2014, 06:16 PM »
Celty,

I know a lot of stalkers use prep, but I haven't been able to understand this whole nesting inside a shred to make it effective.

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Re: Stalker DPS LAS & AMP Choices
« Reply #7 on: Oct 21, 2014, 10:08 PM »
Do you not know how to nest it?  Cast shred, immediately tap prep.  Shred continues to cast while prep is also channeling.  You cut off the end of the prep cast but you get 2-3 ticks for suit power and crit chance off the gcd.

As far as T4 Kicks, properly rotated I have to imagine it's inferior to T4 Ruin in a sub max ability points build.  The main benefit is that it should give you some experience with kicks for the T8 build so even if it's sacrificing some dps now, it may be worthwhile for the long run.  As bilbo said though, T4 Ruin should be far more beneficial.  I'd only ever recommend T4 ruin or T4 punish if you are attempting to max dps on a T8 Shred/Impale build without max AP.

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Re: Stalker DPS LAS & AMP Choices
« Reply #8 on: Oct 22, 2014, 08:20 AM »
I understand the concept of nesting prep inside shred, but every time I've tried it it seems like Shred cancels the prep cast. I'm using the hold to continue casting ability since everywhere I've read said not using this is an overall DPS loss. The idea would be that I cast shred, while that's going I hit prep, prep goes until the first shred ends then when the second shred starts it cancels what's left of prep. What feels like is happening is that I cast shred, hit prep and it immediately cancels because of the upcoming shred that's queued. I played around with it some, but not lately.. I'll go back and analyze what's going on with it.

Yeah, next raid I'll try switching out T4 kick for T4 ruin and see if it makes any difference in my numbers.


 

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